Post by Paul Sarnian on Sept 24, 2008 14:20:18 GMT
The thought has crossed my mind too, Marie. Thinking that we might have used the epi when the WW II plane was found, Sept being the month of the start of the war; but then I found it had already been done...
As far as I know, no one has come forward with one and I have done several so thought someone else might offer one but...
Probably a bit too late now for September. Any offers for October?
If no one comes forward with a 'start off' discussion, shall we just pick an episode and all of us comment? Then the onus is not on one person to start it off, or do screen caps (although they are very helpful)
Re: Series 6 Epi 3 « Reply #4 on Jul 14, 2007, 8:44am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I’m seeing the episodes in Series 6 for the first time and am thoroughly enjoying them! I thought 6:3 a very fitting and classy ending for Lexie’s last appearance.
“Everything has its place…”
“…tears, doing the right thing, and old steam trains…”
This episode in particular, had a little bit of everything…although one could argue that this being Monarch the characters would all ultimately end up “…doing the right thing…” though the personal repercussions varied for each.
For Donald it meant doing the chivalrous thing in his eyes, leaving Glenbogle with his head held high, though not telling a soul of his departure. When Molly claims, “You know nothing about duty or love…” and discloses that she never did get around to telling Hector of their fling, he learns an awful truth. The knowledge that Hector died thinking his brother a deserter seems to sting him more than his being spurned by Molly.
For Paul the decent thing to do was to let Lexie go back to Archie, urging her not to stay “…because of me…” and knowing that he would probably regret his decision. But I use the word let gingerly. By taking a step back from the situation and not playing ‘what if’ it gave Lexie the option, really of being able to follow her heart and to try and ‘find her place.’
Poor Lexie, it’s not enough that she has to contend with a conflicting heart and mind she is inundated with advice from practically every person she encounters. Molly tries to coach her in the ups and downs of married life saying, “We all harbor dark thoughts. The trick is to know them for what they are.” An interesting choice of words and her very admission proof of how difficult this can be to do at times, human nature never being so cut and dry.
Finding the letters was a neat way to tie in Donald’s past, reveal the secret that was being strenuously shared between him and Molly and shed light on the current events. But I would venture to say the results would have been the same regardless. Yes, the letters were a catalyst of sorts but from the beginning Molly kept gently coaxing Lexie to return to New Zealand. After all, she knew of her own past, but we didn’t need to. The viewer could simply have looked upon her meddling as the privilege of her being a concerned in-law.
The Duncan/Jess relationship tested the constraints of young love. His decision to leave—to flee before he had a chance to change his mind—reminded me of the owl that took flight, having escaped from the enclosed pen while in Duncan’s care. (S2 E3) Painful as it was, Jess wisely followed the time old adage, ‘if you love it, let it go…’ What strong women they all are!
The ending was beautiful, romantic and emotional. As the old stream train chugs out of the station, Lexie carries away with her the memory of their ‘Brief Encounter’ and Paul is left behind, virtually in tears, an honorable and just man.
I came across this one on another thread and it really is a precise of a fav epi...maybe we can sneak it in for Septembers fav epi, I'm sure Kristine wouldn't mind. All we need are some accompanying screen caps and people could post their views/opinions if they wish ...what do you think?
Thank you for bringing the post to this thread Lesley, even without the screen caps, we can comment.
Paul Bowman knew in his heart of hearts what was going to happen I think. Lexie was at her most troubled. She had been his friend and confident when he first came to Glenbogle, the only one who stood up to him - even against Archie. Whilst Archie was about he had felt different then, she was just an affectionate friend who was trying to get him to be accepted into the MacDonald family. To have her back alone in Glenbogle was strange, it stirred all his passion, why was she back? Who had upset her? He would have asked himself so many questions. He she come back for him? Had she 'finished' with Archie? So many innuendos, not much in the way of explanation as to 'what was going on'. I think Paul's protective instinct took over and then he started to enjoy romantic thoughts about Lexie, which he knew were wrong but what was wrong with just thoughts. Where did he stand? It must have been so frustrating for him. I don't think Lexie really had to make up her mind, she loved Archie and had needed that break, she knew in herself that she wanted to go back. That kiss at Molly's party should never have happened. She should have backed off straight away. But I can imagine her temptation ;D
Post by Paul Sarnian on Sept 26, 2008 14:44:34 GMT
Looks like [6:3] has become the September discussion fav (rather than ser 7 as was originally sugested) which can continue on now and then have a series 7 episode in October. So to consider the current episode (I have removed the question mark):
With regards to this current one, I agree with Marie, I don't think that Lexie really had any doubts about Archie - she had spent the series fighting off all others... Katrina, Stella, Lucy,... and she finally married him... even after own struggle - doing a runner and climbing hills... Oh yes - she loved him deeply; Paul was just a temporary 'fling' during lonely moments where there was a wonderful Knight in shining armour, Paul to hand... how could she refuse... ?
Looks like [6:3] has become the September discussion fav (rather than ser 7 as was originally suggested) which can continue on now and then have a series 7 episode in October. So to consider the current episode (I have removed the question mark):
Paul, this is just the sneaky one I put in as it's nearing the end of September and no one had done a Sept fav I still plan on doing an October Fav towards the end of next week, which will be one of Series 7 I'll let you know early next week which one it'll be...unless someone else would like to do one If it's near the beginning of the month then that gives everyone enough time to post their views etc. ........................................................................................................ I guess that the above epi is all about resolutions and leaving. As Kristine's mentioned above, Duncan and Lexie leaving and Donald (being reminded of the past) leaving Molly all those years ago.
I'm not surprised at all that Lexie fell for Paul, she always had an 'eye for the men' After her rather unstable upbringing she would have found living so far away from Scotland and her family really heart wrenching. She liked the stability that Glenbogle offered. I think Paul was lonely and Lexie was there without Archie, which was a tempting situation.
It's interesting to note that Isobel was on the scene so she knew about them... earlier finding them together in the croft after the storm. I wonder whether that influenced her leaving him/Glenbogle later on (Isobel that is) I think Paul knew in his heart that he could never bring disgrace on his relatively 'new family' by taking up with Lexie, and she had to resolve her issues with Archie in NZ and make a new life of her own with him.
I was surprised that Duncan left so quickly though it did add extra sadness to the story, but also brought Golly and Jess closer together. I think it's the saddest epi of all the series but I love watching the reruns
By Maddie Oh yes you can Marie But you all know my ( and not only my ) opinion about this epi ! Really rubbish storyline !
Maddie, it's fortunate we all can't get as enthusiastic about Archie as you ;D I thought the episode was excellent
I think Paul's protective instinct took over and then he started to enjoy romantic thoughts about Lexie, which he knew were wrong but what was wrong with just thoughts.
That kiss at Molly's party should never have happened. She should have backed off straight away. But I can imagine her temptation ;D
Marie -- I couldn't agree more with these statements. I was kind of frustrated with the whole scenario but I can see how things happened. One thing leading to another...
I've often thought that it was Paul who was the stronger one, he was the one that told Lexie that their situation wasn't right (I can't remember his exact words to her when they're out on the beach & she picks up a hammer and asks if she can help him.) But I think deep down Lexie wouldn't have really had an affair with him. I mean the kiss was bad enough -- that shouldn't have happened either -- but I don't think they would have "gone all the way" or that ultimately she would have left Archie. They were both just confused and lonely, I think.
BTW do you think she would have told Archie about the kiss?
Hmmm, I just might have to explore that storyline... ;D
BTW do you think she would have told Archie about the kiss?
I would think not - Molly was probably the only other person who knew and I doubt that she would have said anything.
And the incident with Paul in the bothy - I doubt if she would mention that either - Isobel probably being the only other one to know that and again I doubt if she would have mentioned it to Archie - she was more interested in Paul.
I feel that Lexie would rather put all this into the past - just to die a natural death...
I have been pondering all this in connection with the Fan Fic that I am currently writing and hope to complete soon.
Well nothing really happened between Lexie and Paul did it. Nothing happened in the 'bothy' so no need to mention it to Archie, and I think Archie knew how she always had 'affection' for his half brother, from previous times - when she had defended him, Archie wouldn't have suspected that the kiss was anything more than what it was, even if someone mentioned it to him in the future. As soon as that train left the station she would have looked forward to being in her husband's arms again.
Aw Marie, you 'ol romantic you I'm sure Archie would be eager to see his Lexie after their long break...that's unless Katrina heard that she was back at Glenbogle and flew out to NZ...maybe a secret kiss ;D
I will let you all know the epi number (S7) I will review. It's the one where Malcolm turns up at Glenbogle
Lexie might not have told Archie about the kiss, but I don't think it was "just a kiss" either. Nothing happened, but something did. Even if the motive behind the kiss wasn't based purely out of lonliness, lust, or physical attraction, it still meant something. It changed their lives. I rewatched the episode and it is clear that Paul was very effected by their closeness.
Part of Lexie's indecision about just what she was doing had to do with her indecision in general. The fear of moving away from her home permanently, really and all of that. And maybe she was just looking for an excuse to stay. Maybe for her the kiss was the catalyst that helped her to wake up and see just what she was doing -- going down the wrong road for all of the wrong reasons.
And Molly also saw them don't forget -- she surely hadn't forgotten and wouldn't anytime soon. Innuendos from others made it very clear that everyone knew something was going on between the two.
Lexie had a tendency to exaggerate things. When she saw Katrina & Archie talking just before they got married in S4 -- they were just talking, out in the open, she had them getting back together. She was insecure about herself and their relationship.
And I'm not convinced that somewhere down the line, this whole incident wouldn't come up in conversation. Our view stopped as soon as the train left the station -- but theoretically they still had whole lives to lead -- one could imagine what would have happened. Some thirty years later...they've reunited at Glenbogle (assuming Paul was successful at keeping the estate afloat ), it's late, Paul and Archie are lounged out in the library, they've had a bit too much to drink and, as happens, stories are told & revealed...